Below is a partial transcript from MSNBC's "Tucker" ( Friday, Sept. 21). NSSF Senior Vice President and General Counsel Lawrence G. Keane appeared on the show, discussing presidential candidate Rudolph Giuliani.

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TUCKER CARLSON: Senator McCain was not sold and reminded the audience that giuliani once referred to them as extremists. the question is, can Giuliani win over gun owners? Lawrence Keane is the senior vice president and general counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation that represents gun manufacturers. thanks for joining us.
 
LAWRENCE KEANE: glad to be here.
 
CARLSON: so you are part of an industry that profits from the suffering of innocent people?
 
KEANE: no, that's an unbelievably offensive and defamatory statement by then mayor rudy giuliani. this is a responsible and law abiding industry that works cooperatively with law enforcement. we're shocked. at the time shocked by mayor giuliani's comments and we're probably equally shocked by what he's saying today.
 
CARLSON: he is not in any way winning nra. you over with his speech to the is that what you're saying?
 
KEANE: no, he can try to camouflage his record, but we can see right through it. he's wearing blaze orange as far as his anti-gun record goes.
 
CARLSON: huh. what do you think the response from ordinary gun owners is going to be to what he says?
 
KEANE: when they learn that he made comments calling nra members extre and claiming the industry engages in immoral and illegal activities, they will look at his record and see that he has a history of being hostile to gun owners, hostile to the second amendment. he has a very curious view of the second amendment. he apparently thinks the second amendment is different, depending on whether you live in manhattan or montana. and that's not simply -- simply not the case. that's not how the founding fathers wrote the constitution. your second amendment rights are the same whether you live in manhattan or you live in montana.
 
CARLSON: i assume that would also apply to the rest of your rights in the bill of rights. say the first amendment. your right to free speech.
 
KEANE: or fourth amendment.
 
CARLSON: exactly. here's a line that giuliani has used many times in different forms during his career in public life. this is one quote but there are many, many, like this. we reserve the right to regulate driving automobiles so we too must regulate gun purchases to protect safety of all americans. in other words, if you need a license to drive a car, ought to need a license and maybe insurance, to own a gun. what do you think of that?
 
KEANE: he's trying to say now that this second amendment issue should be started by the locality. again, somehow your second amendment rights are different if you live in south carolina or manhattan or montana. and that's not the case. and in fact he has favored national laws, licensed gun owners. he's favored assault weapons ban. so he's trying to camouflage his record. he's trying to walk away from the fact that he sued the industry. a lawsuit, tucker, that is still going on this very day. in fact today an appellate court in manhattan heard argument on that case. the industry members are still spending thousands and thousands of dollars on that very lawsuit that he filed back in june of 2000. he said today that somehow, that that lawsuit is not going in the right direction. well, tucker, it's going in the very direction he said --
 
CARLSON: that's exactly right.
 
KEANE: right to the jury. if it's not going in the right direction now, that's only because he's trying to do an about-face.
 
CARLSON: i believe that. it's also absurd on face. it's like suing general motors for drunk driving. absolutely ridiculous.
 
KEANE: right.
 
CARLSON: just so our viewers understand this, giuliani was party to this lawsuit and in a quote that we read, tacked gun manufacturers as responsible for violent crime in part. hillary clinton, left wing she may be, has never done anything like that, has she?
 
KEANE: not to my knowledge. rudy giuliani is the only republican mayor to sue the industry. all of the other lawsuits filed were filed by democratic mayors.
 
CARLSON: you're saying essentially on this issue, firearms of the second amendment, rudy giuliani appears to be more left wing than hillary clinton?
 
KEANE: that would appear to be the case.
 
CARLSON:” what does that mean for you all and for the nra and people who own guns and care about the second amendment on principle? who are you going to support? let's say giuliani is the nominee on the republican side and hillary clinton on the democratic side. you have to support someone, don't you?
 
KEANE: no, we don't have to support someone. but we are not going to support someone who sued us. they can try to camouflage the record all they want but they are not fooling anybody. he said that he tried -- today he mentioned he was accepted in all of his efforts to reduce crime. then he took a phone call from his wife during his speech. maybe he should have taken a phone call from the industry and learned about the fact we are a law-abiding industry and we are not profiting off of innocence and we are not engaged in immorality and we are not about to forget those statements.
 
CARLSON: just to be clear, you're an american industry, by the way, produce mostly by american companies?
 
KEANE: that's right. supplying all law enforcement agencies in the united states, including the nypd.
 
CARLSON:  i appreciate, mr. keane, you reminding voters of this. i hope you keep it up throughout this campaign.
 
KEANE: glad to be here. thank you very much.